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  Do you know why the WT wants to be called "the branch" and not "society?

  by flag in

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  one elder in my (or ex) cong.

  is always correcting himself every time he says "society".

  he always goes "upps, excuse me the branch says this and that bla bla bla bla".

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  drew sagan

  Axelspeed what article are you referring to?
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  Malawi/Mexico?????

  by jambon1 in

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  after reading a few posts refering to malawi/mexico, i would like to know what all this was about.

  any links or reading material which explains what happened?

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  drew sagan

  WT hypocrisy at its finest
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  Awake = College Education, % of brain usage, where are these?

  by drew sagan in

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  i've heard that this is somewhere in the magazines, but i have no clue where.

  also, does anybody know where (or even if) the watchtower ever fed off the idea that we only use a fraction of our brains, an idea that has proven to be false?

  i heard so many people talk about this in discussion, but have been unable to locate it in a publication.

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  95stormfront, no offence but what you said cracks me up! That is just to funny. Does anybody else know of people putting Watchtower stuff on their job resumes?
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  Strip Clubs

  by pratt1 in

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  would you approve of your significant other going (and enjoying) a strip club?.

  as an aside, do you know of any active dubs who go to strip clubs?.

  i know of and has seen several enjoying the festivities.

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  drew sagan

  Interesting topic. Can't add to the discussion, i've never been to one.
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  The Ten Commandments Displays furor, why?

  by AlmostAtheist in

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  i heard on npr today that some public buildings in the u.s. are moving to bring a display of the ten commandments in through the backdoor, calling it a historical document and presenting it alongside the magna carta and the constitution.. ok. but why?.

  80% of the ten commandments aren't reflected in our legal code.

  when was the last time you heard of someone getting busted for coveting?

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  drew sagan

  How many people could be fed by bridges to nowhere and all of the other government pork? I know where your going with this and you make a great point, I just don't know if I personally have the will to care.
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  Could this be HOW they ban the internet?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  i posted this idea to unclebruce's thread - i deceded to repost as it's own thought here.

  i would not be surprised this very kind of article could come out of brooklyn someday soon.

  coming soon to a watchtower near you!

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  drew sagan

  put this in you bound volume and read it WTS!
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  Funny convention-experience I had as a kid

  by Hellrider in

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  this is a little story about jws and prejudice: when i was a kid, maybe around 12, at this one district convention, a funny thing happened, it was almost refreshing to me.

  anyway, a group of punks, you know, leather jackets, nails everywhere, dirty pants, huge mohawks, tattoos, the whole deal, showed up at the convention.

  they just walked into the hall, the big hall filled with men in suits and women in dresses, and then they sat down on the floor, in the back of the hall.

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  drew sagan

  Great story. Isn't it funny how JW's are totally set back sometimes by people who are not wearing "approved" dress? I've seen people looked at like they are criminal just because they don't have a suit jacket on.
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  Comments that made feel pity at last Sundays WT study

  by drew sagan in

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  i believe it was paragraph 17, the one that spoke about the faithful slave and how there are those who wish to be "independent" and that this is wrong.

  two comments came, both from elders.

  elder 1: so what the paragraph is telling us is that instead of developing an independent spirit we actually want to be developing a spirit of dependece upon god's organization and the spiritual food they provide.

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  drew sagan

  Thanks for all your comments. I'll provide a little more personal information as to why these comments struck me as much as they did.
  Elder 1 has been a good friend of mine for years. He is an older guy that had been pioneering many years before I did. I was allways encouraged by his his example. He allways showed himself to be somebody that simply didn't repeat words on a page but instead followed logical reasonings to come to his own conclusions. I was only baptized one or two years before I met him, so I was not that far along "in the truth" at the time. He eventually located to a differant hall, and I didn't see that much of him anymore.
  By circumstance I have come to be around him much more frequently now. It's interesting because during the time he was away is the time when I started to question the Socitey and think about differant possiblities. Being around him now, and speaking with him is a much differant expierance than it was years ago. I know can see how he has basically handed over his thinking ablilty to the WTS because of the security the give. I have raised numerous questions to him (the best I can without sounding "apostate"), he can never go beyond the basic JW reasonings as put forth in the publications. Any qeustion I ask, I simply get the WTS answer. In fact the more I got to understand him this second time around, the more I realized that the WTS is not the truth. The comment on Sunday was one of the most radical I have ever heard him say, but not something that could be unexpected.
  How do we come to accept these things so eaisly? I think the answer is simple. It is because we accepeted these things at a time in our lives when we where EASY TO CONVINCE. Some of us it was very young, others much older. At any rate, we have all gained from the expierance. Something helped us see that we needed to stop being eaisly convinced of things and dig deeper. I feel sorry for Elder 1, I know he will never give up the WTS. At the same time, our lives are short and who can be sure of what the future really holds for all of us. Only time will tell.
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  I GOT AN E-MAIL FROM SOMEBODY DISFELLOWSHIPPED

  by Terry in

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  ---- (i'm not including their e-mail address for privacy reasons): .

  > i have been disfellowshipped since 1995, approximately.

  as a result, i have .

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  drew sagan

  Great post, i enjoyed it. The expierance is similar to many who feel they are on the "outside" of a social circle.
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  My Journey Out of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Carolina M in

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  after the elders informed me about the requirements for becoming a jehovah's witness, i responded

  as follows a week later.

  i had another session with them on the 06/11/05, because they had to

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  drew sagan

  Welcome to the board. I suggest you continue to take your time, do research and not make any commitment you have doubts with. Two Sundays ago the Watchtower study had special "encouragement" for people just like you who are "riding the fence". Remember that once you are baptized there is no turning back in the sense that leaving becomes very difficult and creates many problems. More research on the history of the organization and reading some books by ex-members may help you alot in understanding the religion.